Posts Made By: Rod Kaufman

Originally Posted by Mel Maki

"...the anger politics of the right."
Am I being more emotional than you have been on other issues?

"Am I being more emotional than you have been on other issues?"
No, you're just as wrong and as confused as on other issues...

Originally Posted by James Lacey

This claim is merely more Republican propaganda and bullshit. What is it about you that makes you think just because you can find some fringe website on the internet that reinforces your preconceived biases and prejudices that it must be true? I briefly pursued capoliticalreview.com, and it's a right-wing website. How about you provide some actual citations and data that prove there is rampant voter fraud in American national elections. I'll save you the trouble because you cannot do it.

Every audit Republicans have insisted on carrying out to contest the 2020 election has been a bust. They have not found any voter fraud. What little they did fine is Republican voter fraud. Even Trump formed a voter fraud commission after the 2016 election because he could not accept the fact that he did not win the popular vote. It was disbanded and found nothing.

Rampant voter fraud is a myth the GOP loves to push to outrage their base and justify voting restrictions. Still, the truth is, there has never been any hard evidence of it in modern times in American national elections.

Except that we're dealing with, "Where's there's smoke, there's fire," kind of idiots wherein the repetition of the big lie is enough to prop up their continuing fraudulent belief system. The real problem though, is that some of these propagators of the big lie are attempting to run for office as election officials where they can do Trump's bidding in 2024 and actually decertify an election unless their favored candidate wins, thus demolishing democracy and the will of the people who's vote will be null and void. That's the real steal...  

Originally Posted by Richard Davis

I'm going to point out how the Leftist world works when it comes to debating people.  

The ineptitude that usually comes with your arguments is kind of funny.

First, You invariably attack the source.  I think this tactic comes along since you have no facts, so you mock the source of the information.

What that tactic has to do with debating a subject, escapes my logic.  So then the source simply cited information by a Respected College  Study, from George Mason University. 

Is G. Mason University a fringe website?  If not, then what does the website, fringe or not, have to do with the facts?

Here is the George Mason University Study:  https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0261379414000973

Now, I'm not purchasing the study for 20 bucks, but the highlights are listed.

                               Highlights:

•    First use of representative sample to measure non-citizen voting in USA.

•    Some non-citizens cast votes in U.S. elections despite legal bans.

•    Non-citizens favor Democratic candidates over Republican candidates.

•    Non-citizen voting likely changed 2008 outcomes including Electoral College votes and the composition of Congress.

•    Voter photo-identification rules have limited effect on non-citizen participation.


  2nd, make a statement of fact, and then immediately contradict the fact the leftist just asserted.  

You wrote this:  

  They have not found any voter fraud. What little they did fine is Republican voter fraud.


LOL!  So they did find fraud or they didn't?   Your statements give me  a chuckle.

No , they DID NOT find fraud,  but since they DID find fraud.....    

I just wanted to put a quick response, to the nonsense you posted.  I don't have time today to completely destroy your response, but for now that'll do!  

No, that not what this one study in 2014 found, here according to the authors is what they have to say about Trump and the mighty righties misleading people about the study:
"A 2014 study, "Do noncitizens vote in US elections?", by Old Dominion University researchers Jesse T. Richman, Guishan A. Chattha and David C. Earnest found "very little reliable data exists concerning the frequency with which non-citizen immigrants participate in United States elections." But it did find that some noncitizens do vote. Most noncitizens who voted in the 2008 presidential election chose Barack Obama and those who voted in the 2010 midterms voted for Democrats.

Richman, a political moderate, told Wired magazine in 2017 that some have misinterpreted his research. "Trump and others have been misreading our research and exaggerating our results to make claims we don't think our research supports," he said.

The results Richman, Chatta and Earnest used in their analysis were from an opt-in internet survey designed for citizens only. Michael Jones-Correa, a political science professor at the University of Pennsylvania and one of the study's critics, told Wired that any responses from noncitizens were included because of error.

Jones-Correa also said the sample size is too small for a representative sample of the noncitizen population. The researchers were able to verify when 40% of  339 noncitizen respondents to the 2008 survey voted. In the 2010 survey, 489 respondents identified themselves as noncitizens, and more than 3% reported voting that year, according to the study.

Just Facts used this study's findings as the foundation of its own examination of the 2020 election results.

"Just Facts’ study applies the party vote breakdown of 82% Democrat and 18% Republican to the 2020 election. By subtracting these illegal votes for Trump from the illegal votes for Biden, the study arrives at the figures above for the extra votes that these fraudulent activities have netted Biden in the battleground states," Agresti wrote. He also reiterated this point in an email to USA TODAY.

Census estimates of the number of foreign-born residents in key battleground states were used to calculate the figures Agresti referenced. According to Just Facts Daily, potential votes cast by noncitizens were estimated, on the high and low end, at:

Arizona: 51,081 ± 17,689
Georgia: 54,950 ± 19,025
Michigan: 22,585 ± 7,842
Nevada: 22,021 ± 7,717
North Carolina: 46,218 ± 16,001
Pennsylvania: 32,706 ± 11,332
Wisconsin: 5,010 ± 1,774
Two researchers who praised the study, Michael Cook and Andrew Glen, are not election experts.

Cook is a financial analyst, according to his LinkedIn profile page.

Andrew Glen was a professor in the Math department at the United States Military Academy, West Point, but retired several years ago, according to LTC Christopher Ophardt, Director of Public Affairs and Communications at the school.

"He was an academy professor. He is a professor emeritus. His discipline is statistics," Ophardt told USA TODAY.

Glen also co-authored another Just Facts article with Agresti about a correlation between anxiety and mandated self-isolation amid the COVID-19 pandemic. Agresti denied a conflict of interest with respect to the 2020 election study.

"Colleagues offering opinions of each other’s work is commonplace and is not a conflict of interest," Agresti told USA TODAY. "Dr. Glen’s academic credentials are impeccable, and he built them through decades of scrupulous scholarship. He would not speak highly of this research if he thought differently, and if he had a problem with it, he would say so."

Fact checkfizer received COVID-19 vaccine data after Election Day, released within days

Could noncitizens have turned the tide for Biden?
Uncovering exactly how many noncitizens may have voted for Biden would be impossible without an investigation into voter rolls, a fact Agresti acknowledged to USA TODAY.

"To confirm the results would require cross-checking 'voter rolls against other databases that contain information on citizenship status,' but some states withheld public voting data from the Trump administration 'under the guise that the data is personal,'” Agresti said.

Restrictions on access to voter data vary by state, according to the NCSL. Voter information is publicly available in Georgia and Wisconsin, but available upon request in Michigan and Nevada. In Arizona and North Carolina, political parties are provided with voter rolls and they are available at election offices for inspection. Data is accessible to the public in Pennsylvania during business hours, and voters' addresses can be provided to political parties upon request.

Arizona is the sole state that asks registrants for country of birth, according to the NCSL, but this information is confidential.

Considering how few noncitizens register to vote in federal elections and the accessibility of voter information, Just Facts' assertion that illegal votes affected the outcome of the 2020 election is unfounded.

Fact check:Critics satirically redact Trump's tweet to make it falsely appear he admitted defeat

Our rating: Missing context
We rate this claim MISSING CONTEXT, because it could mislead without additional context. The claim that voter turnout from noncitizens affected the popular vote in the 2020 presidential race in battleground states is plausible but unproven. Voting in federal elections is reserved for U.S. citizens and few noncitizens knowingly register to vote. Just Facts Daily's research into how many noncitizens could have voted relies on unverifiable estimates.

Our fact-check sources:
USA TODAY, Nov. 14, "Trump says the battleground states saw election fraud. Republican officials running those states disagree."
USA TODAY, Nov. 8, "Elections expert Q&: No evidence of fraud and fail-safes everywhere in US voting system"
USA TODAY, Nov. 12, "Trump campaign's challenge of election results in Pennsylvania, Michigan and Arizona push US toward 'loss of democracy'"
Just Facts Daily, accessed Nov. 19, "About Us"
Just Facts, May 4, "Anxiety From Reactions to Covid-19 Will Destroy At Least Seven Times More Years of Life Than Can Be Saved by Lockdowns"
National Conference of State Legislatures, accessed Nov. 19, "Voting by Nonresidents"
National Conference of State Legislatures, accessed Nov. 19, "Access To and Use Of Voter Registration Lists"
United States Census Bureau, accessed Nov. 19, "About"
United States Census Bureau, accessed Nov. 19, "Congressional Apportionment FAQs"
United States Census Bureau, May 22, 2012, "Census Bureau Releases Estimates of Undercount and Overcount in the 2010 Census"
Brennan Center for Justice, Nov. 9, 2007, "The Truth About Voter Fraud"
Reuters, Oct. 13, "How poor regions lose out because of U.S. census undercounts"
United States Military Academy, West Point, accessed Nov. 19: "Academic Departments"
Andrew Glen's LinkedIn profile, accessed Nov. 19
Michael Cook's LinkedIn profile, accessed Nov. 19
Snopes, Feb. 1, 2017, "Did a Study Show That Hillary Clinton Received More Than 800,000 Votes from Non-Citizens in the 2016 Election?"
Wired, Jan. 25, 2017, "Author of Trump's Favorite Voter Fraud Study Says Everyone's Wrong"
USA TODAY, Aug. 20, 2019, "Donald Trump drops fight to get citizenship question on 2020 census; other federal records to be used"
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https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/11/19/fact-check-claim-voting-noncitizens-2020-election-unverified/6237115002/

"Twitter said on Sunday it permanently suspended the personal account of Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-Ga.) over the social media platform’s COVID-19 misinformation policy."
"The social network said in a statement that it took the action after "repeated violations" of the policy."
https://thehill.com/homenews/house/587903-twitter-permanently-suspends-personal-account-of-marjorie-taylor-greene-over

Rep Dan Grenshaw calls MTG a scam artist and MTG  calls him out for allegedly supporting online porn, you can't make this stuff up!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G44DVygJtuU

"Rep. Nancy Mace (R-S.C.) shot back at Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-Ga.) on Tuesday after Greene called her "trash," responding by using emojis to call her fellow first-term Republican congresswoman "batshit crazy." "Mace responded by writing "I like my freshman colleagues who don’t think 9/11 was a hoax" and using the peanut emoji to describe Greene."
https://thehill.com/homenews/house/583645-mace-fires-back-at-greene-bat-crazy

Originally Posted by Richard Davis

https://americanmilitarynews.com/2021/03/video-illegal-immigrant-says-he-crossed-into-us-because-of-biden-wouldnt-attempt-under-trump/

Just take a look.  

You need to do more than "just take a look":
"the “Biden Please Let Us In” shirts were provided by a local organization in an attempt to pressure the Biden administration to allow more migrants to enter the United States."
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/immigrants-biden-shirts-let-us-in/

Originally Posted by Richard Davis

https://americanmilitarynews.com/2021/03/video-illegal-immigrant-says-he-crossed-into-us-because-of-biden-wouldnt-attempt-under-trump/

Just take a look.  

You need to do more than "just take a look":
"the “Biden Please Let Us In” shirts were provided by a local organization in an attempt to pressure the Biden administration to allow more migrants to enter the United States."
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/immigrants-biden-shirts-let-us-in/

Originally Posted by Greg Shaffer

Love it when two of our resident lefties make fools out of themselves trying to catch you in an error......

Love it when two of our resident mighty-righties make fools out of themselves by their usual and customary display of willful ignorance...

Originally Posted by Richard Davis

Fake Rod, here's your chance to shine.  

What precisely is the willful ignorance that Greg and myself are displaying?

Itchy Richie:
The meaning of this:
"the “Biden Please Let Us In” shirts were provided by a local organization in an attempt to pressure the Biden administration to allow more migrants to enter the United States."
and this:
"One of the all too often critical characteristics of right-wing media consumers is how easily duped they are, and Rich is no exception."