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Posts Made By: Rod Kaufman

December 14, 2021 10:37 AM Forum: Politics

The Insurrection: A "Direct And Collateral Attack"

Posted By Rod Kaufman
The Faux News "Commentators" as well as Trump Jr text messages to Mark Meadows, the Trump WH Chief of Staff at the time on the insurrection:
"He's got to condemn this ASAP. The capitol police tweet is not enough,' Donald Trump Jr. texted. Meadows responded, 'I am pushing it hard. I agree.'"
Donald Trump Jr.: 'We need an Oval Office address. He has to lead now. It has gone too far."
• Laura Ingraham: 'The President needs to tell people in the Capitol to go home'
• Sean Hannity: 'Can he make a statement, ask people to leave the Capitol?'

https://www.cnn.com/2021/12/13/politics/january-6-meadows-contempt-report-vote/index.html

December 15, 2021 03:14 AM Forum: Politics

The Insurrection: A "Direct And Collateral Attack"

Posted By Rod Kaufman
In today's sentencing of a Georgia man who threatened to shoot Nancy Pelosi, the judge noted, " "Let the record be crystal clear that it is not patriotism, it is not justified to descend on the Capitol at the behest of a candidate who lost an election and terrorize others," Judge Amy Berman Jackson said, calling the riot the "definition of tyranny."
She added, "Canceling the votes of others at the point of a gun is the antithesis of what this country stands for."
Note how the con's handgun is decorated:
https://www.cnn.com/2021/12/14/politics/capitol-pelosi-threat/index.html

December 15, 2021 10:36 AM Forum: Politics

The Insurrection: A "Direct And Collateral Attack"

Posted By Rod Kaufman
Originally Posted by Greg Shaffer


That committee is a joke......its pure politics.
Typical Trumptoid response...

December 16, 2021 07:28 AM Forum: Politics

The Insurrection: A "Direct And Collateral Attack"

Posted By Rod Kaufman
Originally Posted by James Brown

Hi Jim:

At least one email of significance from Jim Jordan to Meadows was apparently doctored in critical ways by Adam Schiff, for presentation to the select committee and the TV audience.  The GOP may be F'd up, but hey, they obviously have company.  I predict that nothing will come of the Jan 6 investigation, at least because because the congressmen in charge of the investigation are corrupt fools.

https://thefederalist.com/2021/12/15/during-january-6-hearing-schiff-doctored-text-messages-between-mark-meadows-and-rep-jim-jordan/

I'm not defending any Rs here, and I'm not defending any rioters who broke into the capital.  I am predicting that this issue will not be of importance in 2022 or 2024 to any persuadable voter.  For those issues of critical voter importance, look to the usual suspects - the economy, crime, immigration and maybe in 2022, abortion.

Jim
I don't believe Schiff "doctored" anything nor do I believe any of the other charges this guy from the Federalist brings up, might as well through in the kitchen sink, too. 
Here's a tip: anything emanating with Jim Jordan ought to be a red flag that the problem begins and ends with that name...

December 16, 2021 09:00 AM Forum: Politics

The Insurrection: A "Direct And Collateral Attack"

Posted By Rod Kaufman
Originally Posted by James Brown

You don't believe it even though the evidence was right there in the article? 
Would you believe it on a train?
Would you believe it in the rain?

Sorry I got carried away there - hope you have kids so you caught the joke.

Anyway, a staffer has admitted to doctoring the email.  I personally think the staffer is taking a fall for his boss, but we'll probably never know.

https://thefederalist.com/2021/12/15/breaking-january-6-committee-admits-it-doctored-text-message-between-meadows-and-jordan/

Jim
Here's the extent of the "doctoring":
"A committee source tells CNN an aide inadvertently placed a period before the end of a sentence in the graphic that was not in the original text"
More importantly:
 "Rep. Jim Jordan forwarded a text message to then-White House chief of staff Mark Meadows on January 5, outlining a legal theory that then-Vice President Mike Pence had the authority to stand in the way of the certification of the 2020 election."
"A spokesperson for Jordan, an Ohio Republican, confirmed to CNN that he forwarded a text to Meadows on January 5 that was sent to him by Joseph Schmitz, a former Department of Defense inspector general. Schmitz's text included a draft presentation arguing that Pence had the constitutional authority to object to the certification of election results from certain states."
https://www.wral.com/jim-jordan-sent-one-of-the-texts-revealed-by-january-6-committee/20037217/
In addition to the above, here's what Jim Jordan has been up to:
https://www.justsecurity.org/77852/timeline-rep-jim-jordan-a-systematic-disinformation-campaign-and-january-6/
Finally, here's Jim Jordan on whether or not he spoke to Trump on Jan 6th. IN ALL HONESTY, JIM, DO YOU FIND THIS GUY TO BE A CREDIBLE WITNESS?:
https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2021/07/30/jim-jordan-trump-conversation-sot-jan-6-dlt-dons-take-vpx.cnn

December 17, 2021 02:41 AM Forum: Politics

The Insurrection: A "Direct And Collateral Attack"

Posted By Rod Kaufman
Originally Posted by James Brown

Whether or not Jim Jordan is credible is not the issue.  You are diverting and deflecting.  The primary lies in the doctored email screen shot are that it was authored by a lawmaker, specifically implicating Jordan in context.  Also, the presentation of a bogus email as a "screen capture" is a fundamental lie.  Schiff has no defense for that sort of behavior.   I am guessing that a prosecutor who did something like this to get a criminal conviction would (A) have the conviction tossed out, and (B) be disbarred.  Schiff and his staff apparently think it is OK to deceive in this fashion, because the ends justify the means, in their opinion.  Do you agree?  Hopefully not.  Jim
We fundamentally disagree here because the so-called "doctoring" of a message was limited to an inadvertent placement of a period by a staffer. Jordan's office confirmed yesterday that he sent the message so it's not something that was conjured up by Schiff. Here's what the Federalist writer has lost his mind over:
"Schiff's quote: "On January 6, 2021, Vice President Mike Pence, as President of the Senate, should call out all electoral votes that he believes are unconstitutional as no electoral votes at all."
"The unedited text: "On January 6, 2021, Vice President Mike Pence, as President of the Senate, should call out all the electoral votes that he believes are unconstitutional as no electoral votes at all — in accordance with guidance from founding father Alexander Hamilton and judicial precedence"
"Note that the only difference is that Schiff's version didn't include the part about Alexander Hamilton, and it placed a period at the end. None of that changed the context or meaning of the quote"
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2021/12/15/2069469/-Trump-s-Republican-Coup-Supporters-are-Attacking-Adam-Schiff-for-Accurately-Quoting-Jim-Jordan

December 17, 2021 03:06 AM Forum: Politics

The Insurrection: A "Direct And Collateral Attack"

Posted By Rod Kaufman
Originally Posted by James Brown

No it wasn't.   What the heck do you think the circled attribution and overall presentation means?  
"Lawmaker", is, of course, Jim Jordan who, as has been confirmed by his office, sent the message to Meadows. The only difference being a quibble over this:
"Schiff's quote: "On January 6, 2021, Vice President Mike Pence, as President of the Senate, should call out all electoral votes that he believes are unconstitutional as no electoral votes at all."
"The unedited text: "On January 6, 2021, Vice President Mike Pence, as President of the Senate, should call out all the electoral votes that he believes are unconstitutional as no electoral votes at all — in accordance with guidance from founding father Alexander Hamilton and judicial precedence"
"Note that the only difference is that Schiff's version didn't include the part about Alexander Hamilton, and it placed a period at the end."
 I agree with the DailyKos  that "none of that changed the context or meaning of the quote".

December 17, 2021 03:39 AM Forum: Politics

The Insurrection: A "Direct And Collateral Attack"

Posted By Rod Kaufman
Originally Posted by James Brown

Actually you agree with "News Corpse" a faceless troll pounding away on his keyboard in his Mom's basement.

I personally have forwarded 100s or thousands of emails from third parties in my work.  I would typically include a preface, like "Hey Mark, here is one lawyer's opinion you might find interesting..."  According to the Federalist, that is not Jordan's style.   I can guarantee that I would go ape-shit if someone attributed the doctored content of a third party email I forwarded back to me.  

That said, I am obviously not getting through to you.  So it goes.  I fail regularly to get through to you and Rich both.   Jim
I'm not sure why you continue to avoid the fact that Jordan's office confirmed that Jim Jordan set the message to Meadows. I understand, as has been duly noted, that although Jordan sent that message, he was not the author of it. The context and content of the message is clear as was its purpose: to overturn the results of a legitimate election thus destroying our democracy in the process. 

December 17, 2021 05:20 AM Forum: Politics

The Insurrection: A "Direct And Collateral Attack"

Posted By Rod Kaufman
Originally Posted by James Brown

Forwarding is different than authoring in my view.   If you have a chance, read all 4 pages of the forwarded memo.  "to overturn the results of a legitimate election thus destroying our democracy..." is indefensible spin and not at all reflective of the entire memo.  A more legitimate summary of the memo from the author's point of view would be:  "An exploration of certain historical and precedential bases for overturning an illegitimate election and thus preserving our democracy." 

I'm not arguing the merits here.  I think Pence did the right thing, and it would have been horrible if he had tried to invalidate the electoral college vote.   Schiff's spin, misquotation, and misattribution on the wonky memo forwarded by Jim Jordan is completely corrupt.  That does not mean I agree with Jim Jordan, the memo author or anyone else on the merits of the memo.  Frankly, we have no idea what Jim Jordan thinks of the memo.

You are blinded by partisanship.  Remember that you started out by "not believing" the text was doctored.  Your original denial has now morphed into: "So what, the doctoring was insignificant and Jordan did forward this guy's memo, so it is the same as if he wrote it..."   In my view, the doctoring is significant, the misattribution is indefensible, and the whole affair undermines Schiff's credibility and by extension, the credibility of the committee.  

Jim

p.s.  Here is the whole memo from the lawyer.  CNN is calling it a "blueprint for a coup."  I am sure the right is calling it a blueprint for preserving democracy.  The spin is predictable.  Read the whole thing and get back to me about, "to overturn the results of a legitimate election thus destroying our democracy..."

https://everylegalvote.com/assets/pdfs/January_6_2021_Will_Pence_s_Biggest_Day_in_Congress.pdf
I'll summarize memo by quoting from it: 
"On 6 January, therefore, Vice President Pence will preside over “objections” to electoral
votes, including objections to counting the electoral votes from seven disputed States, each of
which has transmitted both Democrat and Republican sets of electoral votes: Pennsylvania (20
electors); Georgia (16); Michigan (16); Wisconsin (10 votes); Arizona (11); Nevada (6); and
New Mexico (5). As explained below, Vice President Pence also has a sworn duty, as President
of the Senate, not to acknowledge unconstitutional electoral votes – the courageous exercise of
which duty may well decide whether or not President Donald Trump is re-elected."
If that doesn't express the intent and purpose of the "memo" to you, and hence Jim Jordan's transmission of it to Meadows, then I don't know what can... 

December 17, 2021 08:19 AM Forum: Politics

The Insurrection: A "Direct And Collateral Attack"

Posted By Rod Kaufman
Originally Posted by Greg Shaffer
Jonathan Turley laid it out quite plainly in a HILL article (in conjuction with the FBI's findings) back in August.....nothing has really changed since then with the exception of much chest thumping and wishful thinking on the left.

https://thehill.com/opinion/judiciary/568842-the-fbi-comes-up-empty-handed-in-its-search-for-a-jan-6-plot
A lot has changed since Turley expressed his expected opinion which conveniently overlooks the calls and the gallows constructed to "hang Mike Pence" at the capitol building on the 6th.What has changed is the strategy for the overturning of the election is being unfurled by the Jan 6th committee and the criminal contempt of congress charges on Bannon and pending on Meadows with others likely to come. Hurley also overlooks how Steve Bannon would know "all hell is going to break lose" on the day before the insurrection. The riot was only a part of the insurrection to overturn a legitimate election and most of those charged at this point are merely the foot soldiers who stormed the capitol on the 6th. But I will note one of those got more than three years for pummeling a capitol hill police officer during the assault of the capitol. And they're still looking for the guy who placed the pipe bombs. The latter must have slipped Turley's mind, too...

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