Posts Made By: Rod Kaufman

Originally Posted by Richard Davis

Actually yes, making a statement that this gallows would allow someone to hang Mike Pence by someone's shoelaces is reaching beyond belief.  

Then again, you usually are a regular emoting hysteric.   

I didn't make a statement that the gallows in question would allow someone to hang Mike Pence by someone's shoelaces although it was probably up to the task. My statements about the shoelaces obviously means(other than to you) that someone who can and did hang themselves by their own shoelaces did so with much less than what was constructed for Mr Pence by the perps who made it. Thus, if someone who did hang themselves with their own shoelaces, utilizing far less than an actual noose hanging from a gallows, then the latter, contrary to your and Mel's opinion, would be up to the task... 

Originally Posted by Richard Davis

You truly are a person of little knowledge of anything having to do with construction to make that foolish statement above but then I've come to expect little from you in the way of logic.  

And since both Mel and I make (or made) our respective livings building things, while you crack backs, I'm confident in saying that you're really reaching if you think that gallows was an operational device.  

Then again, you've always struck me as one of the most gullible and easily fooled people I've ever encountered.  

You are free to believe in the tooth fairy as well.  

"The notion of a gallows on the Capitol grounds the day of the Jan. 6 election certification process in Congress captivated users of TheDonald for days to come. For instance, on Dec. 22, user wartooth6 posted this meme, which appropriates the branding of Home Depot, where, according to several users, the materials for building the gallows could be easily found."
"User webthing was quick to offer their carpentry skills. Within three minutes of DJT2020’s post, webthing volunteered to build it."
https://flux.community/right-wing-watch/adele-m-stan/2021/06/trump-fans-january-6-hang-mike-pence-gallows
"having worked on construction projects, I’ll say this: 4x4 lumber weighs twice as much as  2x4, which wouldn’t have the structural integrity for the apparent use. it seems deliberate and not just for show."
"having worked on construction projects, I’ll say this: 4x4 lumber weighs twice as much as  2x4, which wouldn’t have the structural integrity for the apparent use. it seems deliberate and not just for show."
https://twitter.com/esagehbauer/status/1348289759567876097?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1348289759567876097%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.comicsands.com%2Fhang-mike-pence-rioters-gallows-2649875040.html

Originally Posted by Greg Shaffer

This is a stupid argument folks..... The gallows was all about symbolism and nothing else. AND it was detestable and distasteful symbolism....no different from that politically motivated comedian desperately hoping to get some attention holding up Trump's severed head who got raked over the coals for it.....

2x4's vs 4x4's, shoe strings vs a orange noose......stupid and pointless and deserves NO hype......

And I suppose the pipe bombs they found and had to neutralize and render inert by the use of a robot was all about symbolism and nothing else, too...

Originally Posted by Greg Shaffer

No...... I dont think anyone disputes there were at least and handful of real nutjobs there..... 

As I've stated in the past, it's not going to be a matter of how bad it was, the default answer/explanation is always going to be the same: 'it was the actions of a few", "a few dozen", "a few hundred", "a few thousand" and on and on. 

Originally Posted by James Brown

Precisely!  Although I think that the symbolism of the gallows is part of the overall news story.  It does not deserve hype, it does deserve coverage. J

It's bewildering to me that you don't think the threat to Pence was real. One only has to listen to the perps stating what they intended to do along with the chants of the mob to do it along with the physical structure to carry it out. But to you and Greg, it's just "symbolism"...

Originally Posted by James Brown

I do think the threat to Pence was real.  I said as much earlier in this thread and was mocked for it by the resident fool (Rich).  I am sure that the Secret Service Agents tasked with protecting Pence thought the threat was extremely real.

The actual threat to Pence is a lot different than whether or not this was a legit gallows.  This whole issue of whether the gallows was legit seems to be conflated by people like the fool with the broader issue of whether Pence (or anyone else) was in actual danger.  I am not conflating these issues at all.  Sorry if that was not clear.  For me, the physical gallows serves primarily as a symbol and it is indeed a hateful and potent symbol.

Jim 

Ok, thanks for the clarification. I see and understand how you feel about it now although I don't believe Greg or others who think like as he does that it was just the action of a few nut jobs can come to similar understanding and explanation as your own...

Originally Posted by Greg Shaffer

Once again you pull assumptions right out of your ass which comes as no surprise at all......James and I share pretty much the exact same perspective on this one. There is a point when mob mentality takes over and things can happen and be committed by people who individually would never contemplate taking those actions. As riots go this one was reasonably tame but it could easily have been much much worse.

Greg comment from his post #79" ..."I dont think anyone disputes there were at least and handful of real nutjobs there....."

Originally Posted by James Brown

Greg can chime in Rod, if he chooses, but I agree, literally no one (except maybe Rich?) disputes that there were at least a handful of real nutjobs there. 

One issue for our speculation is how many of the rioters would have harmed Pence, had they caught him?  I think it is less than "all of them."  I suspect it was more than three or four.  Other than that I personally don't really have an opinion.  How many actually entered the Capital?  My guess is that at least 50% would have shouted slogans at Pence had they cornered him, and left it at that.  Some might have tried to kill him.  More than 3-4 but less than half?  It is hard to guess.  Like Greg said, when the mob is enraged, people will do things they never would consider doing otherwise.

This is all just speculation.  Fortunately for Pence and his family, we did not have to find out how it would have gone.

Jim

My point is that I believe it was more than a handful of nut jobs. The mob was was primed by Trump, who gleefully replayed the video of the insurrectionists storming the capitol multiple times during the event, and by Giuliani's speech prior to it to have "trial by combat" and by Mo Brooks demanding "it's time to start kicking ass" and by Josh Hawley's fist pumping to the rioters just prior to the breech, among other actions that prompted the mob to do what it did...

Originally Posted by Mel Maki

What you just posted is more than a long ways from a public hanging of the VP. It takes "a handful of nut jobs" to get as far as the crap posted here!

Only a nut job would see it your way...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDNGS4xiObQ