Posts Made By: Rod Kaufman

Originally Posted by Mel Maki

There will always be a number. A number of dollars that the gov can give to the buyer that will make a car seem like a good buy. And we are talking a tiny fraction of cars sold.

Originally Posted by Mel Maki

Do you realize this will not work without further policies and regulations from the states and feds? Also they expect the feds to spend TRILLIONS of dollars more, even something like a $12,500 bribe per car?

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Originally Posted by Mel Maki

Hey dummy, my comments were from your damn link. They mentioned this would fail without more policy from the feds and states. They said the Feds will need to spend trillions more! They also mentioned the $12,500 bribe to buy the car. Like I damn said there is a number and it is a huge number of dollars that the feds have to pay to get these cars on the road. This would FAIL HUGE without trillions spent by the gov. Why in the hell DO YOU NOT SEE THIS????????

Originally Posted by Mel Maki

 I give you the other side of something and find out you did not know the other side.
See you next time. 

Originally Posted by Mel Maki

You have shown often you are content with just one side of arguments. The Dem side is good enough, right? 

Originally Posted by Richard Davis

Just noticed your response and forgot I asked the question.

Your answer?  Wrong.

Your answer to that is too basic for the discussion. 

Here was my posting.  And you'll see the question I asked you:  

RD said:   So you're saying that batteries will be replaced under warranty, even if they cost $20K with the increasing costs of batteries, since costs of lithium to make the batteries has gone up 472% in the last 12 months.

Ok, so then tell me, what will that do to the retail cost and manufacturing of electric cars in the future?

Notice the bold print above.

You responded this way to the question In boldface above:  

Fake Rod said:  The more supply, the less demand and the lower the costs.

I asked a question regarding the cost of BATTERIES in the car and HOW will the increased costs of batteries as the elements to produce the batteries play into the cost of cars in the future.

You answered a different question or else you didn't understand the question period,  which is why you are wrong in your answer to my question.

Follow along.  Its pretty simple.

The Supply and demand curve does not take into account certain FIXED costs when it comes to the science of economics.

Batteries in Electric cars are Fixed Costs, Fixed Costs, Fixed Costs.

I stated that fact 3 times because Joe Biden likes to say things 3 times and when he does, you believe every lie he tells as long as he says it to YOU in triplicate.

Fixed Costs are something that producers necessarily have to pass on to the consumer, no matter what they'd like to do.

There are a lot of areas in automobile production that MAY cause the price of a car to decrease but battery costs are going up..

Lithium batteries haven't gone down in price, they've gone up.

They have been in hand held tools for quite a number of years.  They are expensive to produce, and they have a life span.

Do you understand that fact? I hope you do.  

Currently, the cost of lithium batteries in vehicles drives the costs of said vehicles by about $15,000.

You understand that Elon Musk, of Tesla stated that his cars necessarily cost $52,000 DUE TO the cost of the battery pack.  

He stated that if he didn't have to pay for the batteries, that the cost of a Tesla would be about $35,000.

Now then, the article that I linked was referring to the cost of lithium batteries for cars going up by a factor of 2.5X to about $25K from $10K, because of the increased costs of the raw materials needed to produce those batteries.

Since You got the first question wrong, I'll give you another shot, assuming you were confused about the question.

Do you want to try again, or would you like to simply stay Wrong in your response?  

Originally Posted by Richard Davis

Fake Rod,

    Do you want to address the economic discussion and how the price of the batteries is not going to come down because of Supply and Demand?  

Would you like to give that a shot, or do you simply want to post more irrelevant links?  

Originally Posted by Richard Davis

Once again DS, you prove that you're about as astute in understanding economics, as a turnip.

There is a hell of a lot more to understanding the science than just getting familiar with a supply and demand curve.

Let me explain it again to you DS.

FIXED COSTS are a part of all businesses and since you aren't smart enough to run a lemonade stand, here is the rub.

Try to follow the bouncing ball El Stupido.  

When the largest cost in a production project is the battery system, such as the one in an ALL electric vehicle, and the raw materials are going up at a 5 fold increase per year, the cost of the raw materials in the battery are causing the cost of the battery to rise exponentially.  

Focus like a laser DS while I educate you.

Since you've never run anything, except your fat mouth, try and open your ears.

Maybe you'll learn something.

Forget about the SD curve DS.  It plays no role in the raw materials costs of the battery as the battery cost is not going down because of SD function.

The cost of the battery system in the electric vehicle is at least $10k added to the price of the vehicle.   

That is ALWAYS going to be passed off to the customer. 

I purchase lumber and sheet goods to produce cabinets and I have no control over the cost of the raw materials.  They are going up, fast and they aren't coming back down.

I pass that on to the customer.

GET IT?? 

I'm sure you don't. 

CARS have been around for 100 plus years.

Have you seen the average price of a car come DOWN??

The answer is NO numbskull.

Get a clue DS.  

Originally Posted by Richard Davis

You STILL aren't even getting the point.   LOL

And BTW DS, you put up the price for last year's model.  Its called get with the program.

The NEW model is the 2023 DS.  

The Last 12 Months was when Lithium Raw materials cost rose by 475% which will affect the 2023 model and beyond. 

Another clue for you.  ISOLATE the cost of the battery, then get back to the discussion.

Originally Posted by Mel Maki

Yep. Still know people that get emotional and raise their voice discussing fracking. It has drawbacks but it is necessary now. We need to produce more energy of all types. This is important geopolitically. Also, again, cheap energy is the lifeblood of a good economy.  Leading the world in energy production is critical for our nation now!! "Leading from behind" is a very bad joke. It is NOT leading.