Posts Made By: Rod Kaufman

Originally Posted by Mel Maki

What do you have against facts? Almost any rifle can go through a wall or door except the .22 rim fires we had when we were kids.
And it is fact that the .223 is on the weaker end of rifle cartridges.
It is lethal? All rifles are lethal! Christ!
And it is coming from Mel AGAIN BECAUSE YOU ARE SO STUPID YOU CAN'T GRASP IT!

You know why I'm so pissed about your post about the rifle being "weak"? Because I've seen and responded to this same BS argument before in another mass shooting! Same crap about it not killing deer when it clearly can and does and if some sort of rule exists somewhere in some state, it's obviously and proven wrong by those who use it to kill deer elsewhere. I also recall arguing with a con in the forum who claimed the round couldn't penetrate walls in a building. 
"The following is a partial list of when an AR-15-style weapon was used in a mass shooting":
Feb. 14, 2018: Shooting at Stoneman Douglas High School shooting in Florida leaves 17 people dead.
Oct. 1, 2017: The Las Vegas slaughter of 58 people.
Nov. 5, 2017: The Sutherland Springs, Texas, church shooting that claimed 26 lives.
June 12, 2016: The Pulse nightclub shooting in Orlando, Fla., that left 49 dead.
Dec. 2, 2015: The San Bernardino, Calif., shooting that killed 14 people.
Dec. 14, 2012: The shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Connecticut that took 27 lives.
"In 1994, President Bill Clinton signed an assault-weapons ban, which banned the AR-15 and other similar semiautomatic rifles."
"After its ban, mass shootings were down in the decade that followed, in comparison to the decade before (1984-94) and the one after (2004-14), NPR reported in 2018."
https://www.npr.org/2022/05/26/1101274322/uvalde-ar-15-style-rifle-history-shooter-mass-shooting
Now, do you finally get it, MEL?!

Originally Posted by Mel Maki

"...pedantic back and forth..."
I turn on network news and an emotional, near tears broadcaster is babbling, "Nobody could take this weapon of war  and shoot Bambi because there would be nothing left."
You want that to stand when I know the opposite is closer to the truth? That somebody actually should be using one of the bigger rifles for hunting deer?
And people that make our laws have said the same garbage!

Like I said James, when you read something this, it's unfortunately a safe bet that we'll be having the same conversation again...

Originally Posted by Greg Shaffer

No one is disputing this.....guns are deadly period. They are supposed to be. In fact that is the reason they exist. Hyperbole about a particular type of weapon doesnt change anything about that. I can assure you whether its from a 3 shot magazine in a bolt action hunting rifle or a 10 shot magazine in a semi-automatic NOTHING is different about the potential of the caliber used.  

A tired old saying but none the less still a fact. Guns do not kill outside of accidents, people do. People with a predilection for killing other people will simply find another way if they cant get a gun.....

Same BS over again. The shooter fired about 100 rounds as soon as he entered the building. He couldn't have fired that much and that fast with a bolt action rifle or a pistol. "In total, he had 1,657 rounds of ammunition", "It appears Ramos dropped a backpack with several magazines full of ammunition near the entrance of the school." McCraw said Friday he had a total of 60 magazines, including 58 at the school and two at his residence."
https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2022-05-25/timeline-of-texas-school-shooting-126-minutes-of-terror
He had that gun for its rapid rate of fire and its high capacity magazines for its lethal ammo. 

Originally Posted by Darian Rachal

Greg, some people seem to have difficulty accepting this fact.

That's why the choose AR15s, huh?

Originally Posted by Greg Shaffer

Thats the problem Darian.....in general the left is ruled by emotion over logic......Some do eventually outgrow it and some never do.

"Emotion over logic" Is that why you believe in the big lie of election fraud and whatever Trump and Dinesh have to say?...

Originally Posted by Darian Rachal

People that have no respect for human life and for some reason decide they need to kill a large number of people, will devise a way to do so. I think you are looking at the situation a bit too emotionally.

When you have repetitive mass murders using the same weapons of choice among the murderers, you ought to be able to put two and two together and then realize emotion isn't part of the equation here until after people are dead...
"The following is a partial list of when an AR-15-style weapon was used in a mass shooting":

Feb. 14, 2018: Shooting at Stoneman Douglas High School shooting in Florida leaves 17 people dead.
Oct. 1, 2017: The Las Vegas slaughter of 58 people.
Nov. 5, 2017: The Sutherland Springs, Texas, church shooting that claimed 26 lives.
June 12, 2016: The Pulse nightclub shooting in Orlando, Fla., that left 49 dead.
Dec. 2, 2015: The San Bernardino, Calif., shooting that killed 14 people.
Dec. 14, 2012: The shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Connecticut that took 27 lives. 


https://www.npr.org/2022/05/26/1101274322/uvalde-ar-15-style-rifle-history-shooter-mass-shooting

Originally Posted by Greg Shaffer

Very little attention.....it is 90% hype. 

It's a safe bet these guys thought the same about the Watergate investigation before it was over, too...

Originally Posted by Mel Maki

So? Most of the deaths are suicides. What point do you think this makes? If I think I need a gun for self defense, I get one. What  does it matter how many guns are in the state? Your posts today are weaker than usual!

Spoken like a real right to lifer...

They all have more guns and they're all red states:
https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/26/politics/gun-violence-data-what-matters/index.html

Originally Posted by Greg Shaffer

No it doesnt....there are exceptions to everything but then you know that.

Yeah, Greg reads liberal media sources so he knows...