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Posts Made By: Rod Kaufman

June 9, 2022 01:14 AM Forum: Politics

The Terminology Of The "Assault" Rifle

Posted By Rod Kaufman

Originally Posted by James Brown

Hi Rod, Mel, Greg, James, Rich and everyone.  This long discussion of the relative lethality of the AR-15 style rifles is interesting, but I think it misses the key point.  School shooters favor the "assault rifle" weapon not because it is particularly lethal.  They favor it because it looks bad-ass and they are almost universally copying previous school shooters who used this weapon, like Klebold and Harris at Columbine.  The magazines are nice too - how many movies feature a hero or villain dropping a spent magazine to the ground while clicking in in a fresh one?  The answer is virtually every action movie or shooter game ever made.  

Much of this was in the Secret Service report Rich posted a few weeks ago, which was really informative.

I would bet anything that not a single school shooter of all time knows a quarter as much as you guys do about guns, shooting range, stopping power, the lethality of various rounds and so on.  They don't care about that stuff at all.  These shooter want to extract revenge on their alleged oppressors, and they usually want to commit suicide and achieve infamy by taking out as many innocents as possible, in as dramatic a fashion as possible.  So they want bad-ass looking guns.  Again, see the secret service report.  So they copy the endless succession of school shootings featuring AR-15 style rifles.  These are the weapons that look menacing in the movies and video games, and these are the weapons chosen by Klebold and Harris.  The magazines clip in and out dramatically.  That is about it as far as weapon choice goes for the school shooter.

So, is it legit for society to regulate an otherwise fairly normal gun because it looks menacing, just because it is the gun favored by copy-cat school shooters?  I think this is a legitimate line of debate and I think both sides can make good points.  Arguing about the actual and objective lethality of the AR style rifles kind of misses the point, in my opinion.

Jim
I think its lethality, as demonstrated by the plethora of mass shootings associated with it, is the point. The AR15 type rifle is lightweight and controllable, carries a high capacity mag, and is effective for mass killings at distances as evidenced by the mass shooting in Vegas wherein 60 died. The Vegas perp, who killed himself, was reportedly armed with multiple AR15s, including one made by Daniel Defense, maker of the AR15 used in the Uvalde massacre. While you may be correct in that the reason people buy them is because of the way they look, that's the same argument that could be made for other types of military weapons that appear equally menacing but aren't available for sale to the public...  

June 9, 2022 02:27 AM Forum: Politics

The Terminology Of The "Assault" Rifle

Posted By Rod Kaufman

Originally Posted by Greg Shaffer


Because guns kill Rod.....center mass or head shots even with .22 caliber bullets will kill you just as dead as anything. Just be glad they arent choosing to use more lethal calibers. 
Oh I understand now. I thought I read somewhere that the intent of the .223 caliber bullet was to wound and not actually kill so it supposedly ties up more soldiers trying to move their wounded comrade but I must have read that in some other forum.(Of course, in the Russian front with Ukraine, Russian officers reportedly kill their wounded to solve that problem.) I was wondering why AR15 purchasers who listed their reason for buying them as being for "home defense" after reading somewhere that the round wounds instead of kills and perhaps they were just being kind and responsible gun owners who value human life if they have to "clear their apartment" of an alleged assailant, particularly if they were armed... 

June 9, 2022 02:46 AM Forum: Politics

The Terminology Of The "Assault" Rifle

Posted By Rod Kaufman

Originally Posted by Mel Maki

Rod, home defense is just the standard reply, that's all. People generally use pistols for self-defense.
Also, anybody that fired a 556 indoors would be deaf for awhile.
Well, that was the reason given by the gun instructor/ seller of the AR15 in a linked video. I was questioning that in an earlier post since he stated he would use the AR15 as his weapon of choice to "clear his apartment" of assailants. I'd be concerned more about the .223 caliber rounds flying through the drywall and into a neighbor's apartment. I thought that was the purpose of using a Glasser defense round and equivalent. But apparently, according the gun instructor/seller the AR15 is his choice for "apartment defense"...

June 9, 2022 03:01 AM Forum: Politics

The Terminology Of The "Assault" Rifle

Posted By Rod Kaufman

Originally Posted by Mel Maki

We can find every opinion in the world on guns. It takes a little general knowledge to sort through it and I don't know how effective a safety round would be in 556. I have not seen one. They do make 556 in several "barricade rounds." They are bonded or designed to better go through a windshield or plywood.
I didn't state or infer one could make a defense round in .223 caliber. It should be obvious I was referencing the defense round and hence a gun designed to use it as an alternative to an AR15 and its ammo, particularly when "clearing an apartment."  

June 9, 2022 03:25 AM Forum: Politics

The Terminology Of The "Assault" Rifle

Posted By Rod Kaufman

Originally Posted by James Brown

I don't haver a gun for home defense.  But if I did, I might get a pump-action 12 gauge shotgun like my dad owns.  The "chick-chick" sound of the first shell being pumped into the chamber should be instantly recognized by an intruder, even in the dark.  That alone, with maybe a short "are you ready to die" type warning ought to send the intruder packing without even turning on the lights!  Also, me not being an experienced rifle or pistol user, I'd think my chances of hitting an intruder with  a shotgun would be somewhat higher.  I do expect it would be messy though.  

I actually don't think about home invaders much.   Virtually never.  I hope/suspect I'll never come to regret that.  
That's my understanding that the sound alone of a shotgun being pumped with its first round has and does have the desired effect on a potential intruder without the appearance of a weapon.

June 9, 2022 04:06 AM Forum: Politics

The Terminology Of The "Assault" Rifle

Posted By Rod Kaufman

Originally Posted by Brian McFarland

Exactly. If you were tasked with walking into a public place and killing as many people as possible in the shortest amount of time, with a gun easily purchased at your local sporting goods store, would you chose something different? That's what it's designed for.
After listening to Republican senators, I thought its uses are for target practice, prairie dogs, home defense, and for sport. Nary a word or a worry from them about mass shootings, killing people, or any such thing...

June 9, 2022 04:18 AM Forum: Politics

The Terminology Of The "Assault" Rifle

Posted By Rod Kaufman

Originally Posted by Greg Shaffer


Thats because those are the primary things it is used for......You really think the most prevalent use of an AR type weapon is mass shootings? Not even close. Of course you dont.....Even I know you have at least a smattering of common sense but you get an A for effort on trying to prove otherwise.
Well, that's the reason it's being discussed in both houses of congress but you've put that misconception to rest...

June 9, 2022 04:54 AM Forum: Politics

The Terminology Of The "Assault" Rifle

Posted By Rod Kaufman

We now have clarification on how the situation on guns and mass shootings relate to one another. It's from Lauren Boebert and Steve Scalise so you know it's going to be good...
Here ya go: "We didn't ban airplanes after 9/11 so why should we ban guns after mass shootings?"

June 9, 2022 05:33 AM Forum: Politics

The Terminology Of The "Assault" Rifle

Posted By Rod Kaufman

Sandy hook parents bankrupted Remington. Perhaps Uvalde parents will do the same to Daniel Defense:
https://www.npr.org/2022/06/03/1102755195/uvalde-special-ed-staffer-seeks-to-depose-gunmaker-for-a-possible-lawsuit

June 9, 2022 10:24 PM Forum: Politics

The Terminology Of The "Assault" Rifle

Posted By Rod Kaufman

The effects of the AR15 bullet on the body:
https://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2022/06/08/how-ar-15-style-weapons-impact-human-body-campbell-dnt-lead-vpx.cnn/video/playlists/top-news-videos/