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Posts Made By: David Bacheller

August 15, 2008 04:58 PM Forum: Beginning Astronomy?

More diagonal advice

Posted By David Bacheller

Hello. I am a super beginner, with the gift of an older Celestron C90 spotting scope. The scope came with an erect image 45 deg. diagonal that adapts the .96" scope opening to 1.25" eyepieces. My question: is there a 90 deg. mirror diagonal that would fit my scope and still adapt to the 1.25 eyepieces? I'm assuming this will yeild a brighter image but I can't seem to find one.

Thanks for any guidance,

David B

September 11, 2008 11:54 PM Forum: Eyepieces

Beginner question about Meade 26mm plossl

Posted By David Bacheller

Hello all. I'm not sure if this should be posted on the beginners forum or here, but: I recently came into possession of a little celestron C90 spotting scope. It came with nice photographic tripod, an erect image diagonal, but no eyepieces. I ordered a mirror diagonal and borrowed some older Meade achromatic eyepieces from a friend (25mm and 9mm)and promptly started viewing the moon and Jupiter. Now hooked, I purchased a Celestron C8, (from a fellow astromarter) which will be picked up this weekend.

Along the way I purchased(from yet another fellow astromarter) a Meade 26mm plossl eyepiece. Now, finally to my question: The older 25mm achromatic (hope this is the correct term) provides an easy full field view with my eyeglasses in place. The 26mm plossl presents a situation (with the c90) in which it is impossible to view an edge to edge field wearing eyeglasses. Even with the rubber eye cup folded back. I notice that the lense element closest to the eye is recessed in this plossl eyepiece about 1/4" from the end of the eyepiece.

OK, now finally the question: Is the low eye relief a result of my C90, or am I to expect this same difficulty with the C8?

And now for some astronomical heresy, I am prepared to remove the lense elements from the 26mm plossl and chuck up the tube in the lathe and machine off the recessed portion of this eyepiece so that I can view with my eyeglasses on. I would appreciate any comments on this idea.

Surely I am not the only one to suffer such indignity at the hands of eyeglasses. Any help is greatly appreciated.

David B

September 12, 2008 01:25 AM Forum: Beginning Astronomy?

Meade 26mm plossl

Posted By David Bacheller

Hello all.

I have posted this on the eyepiece forum also.

I recently came into possession of a little celestron C90 spotting scope. It came with nice photographic tripod, an erect image diagonal, but no eyepieces. I ordered a mirror diagonal and borrowed some older Meade achromatic eyepieces from a friend (25mm and 9mm)and promptly started viewing the moon and Jupiter. Now hooked, I purchased a Celestron C8, (from a fellow astromarter) which will be picked up this weekend.

Along the way I purchased(from yet another fellow astromarter) a Meade 26mm plossl eyepiece. Now, finally to my question: The older 25mm achromatic (hope this is the correct term) provides an easy full field view with my eyeglasses in place. The 26mm plossl presents a situation (with the c90) in which it is impossible to view an edge to edge field wearing eyeglasses. Even with the rubber eye cup folded back. I notice that the lense element closest to the eye is recessed in this plossl eyepiece about 1/4" from the end of the eyepiece.

OK, now finally the question: Is the low eye relief a result of my C90, or am I to expect this same difficulty with the C8?

And now for some astronomical heresy, I am prepared to remove the lense elements from the 26mm plossl and chuck up the tube in the lathe and machine off the recessed portion of this eyepiece so that I can view with my eyeglasses on. I would appreciate any comments on this idea.

Surely I am not the only one to suffer such indignity at the hands of eyeglasses. Any help is greatly appreciated.

David B

September 26, 2008 03:06 PM Forum: Celestron

celestron c5

Posted By David Bacheller

I obtained a used celestron c5. It has a loose corrector plate. Is there a given protocol for correctly centering the plate (say, some home-built spacers at the perimeter) or must this be sent to celestron. Is believe I read about this being a somewhat common problem with a certain generation of c5's.

Also, the focus knob on this C5 moves VERY freely. It moves the mirror and focusing works fine, but I was surprised at the ease of movement. Is this normal?

Thanks for any insights,

David B

August 9, 2009 09:06 PM Forum: Equipment Talk

Thrift store B&L 4000

Posted By David Bacheller

Hello to all. I am rank beginner and have just a few SC scopes, but I was out scrounging yesterday and found a thrift store Bausch and Lomb 4000 in the case for $20. I figured it was worth the Jackson just for the case, and to see how a SCT really works. This poor little scope has been beaten about the head and shoulders and I'm up to my elbows in newbie discoveries and fixes, but if anyone is interested I can share some of my adventures. Pretty fun so far. I'm not sure if this is the appropriate forum, so let me know.

David B

August 14, 2009 02:11 PM Forum: Equipment Talk

More about the thrift store B&L 4000

Posted By David Bacheller

Again, for those interested in adventures of Mr Fixit: I had a chance at somewhat clear viewing last night here in Illinois. I scrounged up a led head lamp with the red option, and then used a bright star to further fiddle with the collimation. I noted that very careful pressure on the secondary adjusting screws is called for. Placing too much pressure on one screw will result in an out-of-round doughnut, and I assume that this asymetrical pressure distorts the (cheap) mirror. Anyway, after some more enjoyable fiddling, I obtained reasonably round bagels one either side of focus. I swung around to view Jupiter, and could see the major bands. Still not a great instrument, but a fun project. Next step is to firm up the tripod.

Equipmentally speaking, I had a link sent to me by a brother-in-law who is also interested in repair and fabrication. Hoping links are permitted here, perhaps many will enjoy the intellectual and mechanical prowess of this woman:

http://www.tatjavanvark.nl/index.html

And some more:

http://www.craftsmanshipmuseum.com/vanVark.htm

Clear skies,

David B


September 27, 2008 12:25 PM Forum: Celestron

celestron c5

Posted By David Bacheller

A newbie follow-up for my C5:

I removed the retaining ring and the corrector plate. I tried to fabricate paper shims for the perimeter but found no satisfaction there, so I used some appropriate diameter rubber O rings. These 0 ring sections (about 1 cm in length) were placed at four positions at the perimeter of the corrector plate. The retaining ring was then installed.


I found the use of cotton surgical glove liners to be nice hand covers for handling the corrector and, in fact, performing all of the above. I viewed Jupiter last night with the reconstituted scope and so far so good. Must get a new battery for the dot finder.

David B

August 10, 2009 03:01 PM Forum: Equipment Talk

Thrift store B&L 4000

Posted By David Bacheller

Well, for those interested: Please note that I am in learning mode. I am sure I have done some inappropriate things along the way but perhaps the advice of those with greater experience can point toward further enlightenment.

First, the B&L was found, as stated above , in a thrift store. Down in the basement. It came with a blow-molded case, the table-top tripod legs, an instruction booklet, the scope itself, and that's about it. No diagonal, and no eyepieces. Naturally I had those at home anyway. It did include the visual back (I believe that is the term) which adapts the back of the scope to the standard 1.25 inch diagonals and eyepieces. I have learned that the B&L has a weird thread size for this adapter. And it also came with a regular tripod with the aluminum plate for mounting the scope base to the tripod.

At home, after calming down from the junk find, I went out on the patio and started looking over the scope. I set it up on a table and tried viewing the trees down the street with a 40mm eyepiece. The view was absolute crapola, with lots of aberrations around the edges of the leaves, but it did confirm that the focuser worked. Looking at the collector plate, there was a not-so-thin film of gunk which indicated that some previous owner stored the scope on the counter next to his cook stove where he deep fried pork fritters while smoking cigarettes. No choice but to dismount the collector and clean.

I don't have the proper tool for unscrewing the collector retaining ring, but used a set of snap ring pliers and a small vice grip plier to achieve the proper pin spacing. With the collector out, I noted that the secondary mirror also had some bits of fluff on it. (Calm down, I know what some of you are thinking)

Ok, my first error probably was removing the secondary mirror. I was very careful and it was easy to remove (just a central screw) but I made no attempt to record the position of the secondary. Anyway with the small mirror out, I carefully flooded the surface with isopropyl alcohol and then followed with distilled water. Didn't have any deionized water. Followed by a gentle compressed air flow over the mirror surface and all the fuzzy bits were gone.

The collector was cleaned in similar manner, but the film was not going to budge with flooding alone. I purchased a very soft make up brush and with isopropyl flood gently massaged the surface. I then rinsed with EtOH, followed by distilled water and the gentle (filtered) compressed air. Now the collector looked good, at least to my eyes. I had done some light reading on cleaning mirrors, but mostly I was improvising. Corrections as to techniques and materials would be appreciated.

Another newbie mistake probably was that I did not index the position of the collector. I have read that some scopes are tuned by turning the collector. I'm pretty sure that this scope was so badly out of fettle that the axial position of the collector may not make any difference, but any ideas on that front would be appreciated as well.

No attempt was made to remove or clean the primary mirror.

After reassembling the scope tube, I discovered that the aluminum plate to which the scope mount is connected (the plate that carries the AC motor for star tracking) was bent. This poor scope did indeed lead a tough life. Upon dismounting this plate, it was found that in addition to being bent, it was also fractured around the central axle of the plate. Well, nothing ventured......I used a carbide bur in a dental lab handpiece to grind about 4mm on either side of the fractures, and then subjected the plate to Al soldering.

Parenthetically, I have found that Al solder works pretty well for most Al hobby repairs. Definitely not TIG welding strong, but not really too bad either. And no melting of the parent metal. It takes a bit of practice, but works somewhat like "regular" low temp soldering. If anyone is interested I could come up with a link for the technique.

After soldering, I mounted the plate in my South Bend lathe and spent a casual ten minutes bending the plate back into an approximation of flat. None of the solder joints fractured, so I felt pretty good about that.

Well, with the secondary mirror no where near a correct position, I though I would just wait for night and use a star to roughly approach collimation. Pretty humorous, as I attempted to find the little set screws with a 1.5mm hex wrench. In the dark. I searched around for another idea and found, probably here on Astromart, the substitute star, Christmas ornament in the sunshine method to get things started. I was too wimpy to go up into the attic to find an ornament (mid 90's F here right now) so I found a chrome hitch ball in the tool box and zip tied it to the stop sign pole about 200 feet down the street. The neighbors don't even shake their heads at my crazy schemes any more. Nice neighbors.

Anyway, after fiddling around for a pleasant half hour, I have nice round doughnuts on either side of focus, and now the leaves on the trees look nice and sharp. I know, this will never be a Questar or even close, but so far it has been an enlightening project. Once Autumn happens here in the US Midwest, the skies will clear enough to try the scope out on some astronomical viewing.

I got a bit long winded but hope my adventures are entertaining and/or helpful, and perhaps provide some discussion points.

Clear skies,

David B