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Re: Aperture vs. Seeing - Another Round

Started by DarthVader, 07/22/2003 01:14AM
Posted 07/22/2003 01:14AM Opening Post
Ed,

I would beg to differ. This comes up all the time and I can't help be think how crazy it is. Here is an excerpt from a Sky and Telescope magazine article regarding 4 Common Telescope Myths. I'd say the author of this is more of expert on seeing than most of us. This is verbatum from the S&T website written by:

Gary Seronik is an associate editor of Sky & Telescope magazine and an accomplished telescope builder.

MYTH:

"Large scopes are more adversely affected by seeing than small ones."

The idea behind this myth is that when it comes to planetary observing, there is little point in getting a large telescope unless the seeing conditions at your observing site are unusually good. Some actually claim that a small scope can outperform a large one on nights of mediocre seeing.

I call this assertion a myth for two reasons. First, my own observations do not bear it out. Second, no one has proposed a plausible mechanism for it. Telescopic resolution is limited by the weakest link in a chain made up of optical quality, atmospheric steadiness, telescope design, and the observer. No doubt, some small scopes give better views than some large ones, but this can easily be ascribed to factors having nothing to do with the atmosphere. In particular, poor collimation and poor thermal characteristics often plague large reflectors.

When I first heard that small scopes could beat out big ones, I checked it out for myself. At the time my principal telescope was an optically good 12½-inch f/5 reflector. I built a 5-inch-diameter off-axis mask that could quickly be placed at the front of its tube, making it into an unobstructed 5-inch reflector. Over the course of several years I took this mask with me to every observing session and compared full-aperture planetary views with those seen with the mask in place. I did this on nights of good seeing, okay seeing, and poor seeing. Not once did the reduced-aperture view show greater detail than the full-aperture view.

Admittedly, when the seeing (or atmospheric steadiness) was below average the off-axis mask produced an aesthetically pleasing view. But this did not translate into greater detail — though it's easy to understand how a casual glance would give this impression. Most often I would wind up using my telescope's full aperture because even on nights of substandard seeing, occasional brief moments of stillness would allow me to see details that simply could not be seen with the aperture mask in place.

If you'd like the whole article here is the link:

http://www.astromart.com/messages.asp?message_id=94184&page=

Paul Atkinson
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Posted 07/22/2003 01:29AM #1
Gary's experiences are similar to mine. I made a 6" off-axis mask for my wife's 14.5" f/6 Newt. While I did not test it over the long period Gary did, I observed Saturn and Jupiter on several nights with and without the mask. While the view was sometimes superficially better with the mask, the stopped down scope never showed more detail, and, even when full aperture was seeing limited, there were always moments to minutes when the 14.5" showed more detail.

The larger aperture also revealed planetary colors more vividly, and the larger exit pupil was much appreciated.

We have a number of scopes up to 14.5" aperture, and often have two in use. I have never seen a night where the larger scope did not at times reveal more detail on the Moon and planets.

Posted 07/22/2003 01:43AM #2
Oh boy...here we go! The Sky and Tel article is replete with the usual reasons why the larger scope might be having difficulties, yet these are real world conditions that cannot be ignored.

Near the horizon, my CZ truss Dob flexes a bit, throwing collimation off enough to kill any claim to superiority over the smaller apertures.

Aperture rules, except when it doesn't.