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The Herd Mentality

Started by Larry Seguin, 10/20/2007 04:59PM
Posted 10/20/2007 04:59PM Opening Post
Most folks who are at this hobby for any length of time come to the conclusion that no one scope does it all. That's why we keep buying and selling them! That's why most of us develop a "herd" of them, each with it's own particular use. My current setup seems to satisfy all of my needs for now (riiiight).
For deep sky: a 14" f/4.7 dob. Enough aperture for the faint fuzzies, short enough to do my viewing feet-on-the-ground, light enough to pick up and move if I need to fully assembled.
For planetary/lunar: an 8" f/6 dob. enough aperture for DSO's if I need to, enough resolution for planetary detail, easy to transport, works GREAT with binoviewers!
For wide fields and solar: A short tube 80. One hand portable, easy to use on a camera tripod with bogen head, did I say WIDE fields? With the other quality of views in the other scopes I don't need an apo at this size (riiiight).
No matter what I'm looking for or at, I can shoose one of these guys and get there.
Any one care to chime in on what your current/favorite/ideal setup would be or is?
Posted 10/20/2007 05:54PM #1
Hey Scott,
Got a great ski mountain out here in Taos, New Mexico. If yer ever in the neighborhood, stop in and take a look through the "herd"!
Larry
Posted 10/20/2007 06:15PM #2
Larry,

I could be quite happy the rest of my life using your "herd" of scopes. A 14-inch will show thousands of deep sky objects, and will provide excellent views of planets under good seeing conditions. Most 'big Dob' guys will also endorse having a small (6 to 8 inch) Dob for those times it's not worth pulling out the 'big one'.

My current "herd" includes an Obsession 20. For most of my wide-field observing I use Celestron 20x80 binoculars on a parallelogram mount. I have home-made 6" F/5 and 8" F/8 Newt tubes, and for imaging, I have an Optical Guidance Systems 10-inch F/9 RC Cass. All of the tubes go on a non-goto Mountain Instruments MI-250 mount. Currently this pretty much covers me except that I have a 'hole' where you have the smaller Dob. I've thought of building an 8" F/5 or F/6 Dob, or buying the Meade 8" F/4 SN on GoTo mount.

So, what do I need? a back-yard observatory, or a fully equipped cargo trailer (5x8 foot?) to act as a traveling observatory.

Wild Idea: Every once in a while I consider selling it all and buying a GoTo Obsession 30-inch and cargo trailer - and I just might do it!! wink

George N
Posted 10/20/2007 07:24PM #3
>>>Most folks who are at this hobby for any length of time come to the conclusion that no one scope does it all. That's why we keep buying and selling them! That's why most of us develop a "herd" of them, each with it's own particular use. My current setup seems to satisfy all of my needs for now (riiiight).
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Larry:

Whenever I think to myself "My current setup seems to satisfy all my news for now" it means I am about to acquire a new telescope...

There is something about my herd that is particularly fertile, somehow they seem to multiply... I do like "older scopes" and there is some redundency because of that, (four Japanese 80mm F/11's) but I don't keep them just because they are 25 years old, I keep them because they provide good views.

Today my herd looks like this:

- Coronado Solar scope

- 60mm F/13.3 Asahi-Pentax Nice '60's refractor, split Izar the other night.

- 66mm WO ZS SD Birding and quick look scope

- 76mm F/3.7 This little newt started out as a Tasco Rocket scope but I took the optics out and built a "strut tube finder" with it. Splits the double-double.

- 80mm Meade 310, 312, 314. All Japanese Meades from the 80's, the 314 has a brass OTA, the 310 is later and nicer.

- Celestron/Vixen 80mm F/11

- Celestron Nexstar 80GLT 80mm F/11 ON the way out.

- 80mm WO Megrez II FD. Probably my most used scope. Great views, widefield and high power.

- 114mm Bushnell Voyager Astro-Scan clone Looking for a home

- 5 inch Celestron C-5 OTA nice and portable, nice for eclipses

- 130 mm F/5, Orion Space Probe 130ST. A favorite, sits on an EQ-3 with a SP wooden Tripod. Has a 2 inch focuser and is a nice allarounder doing well on the planets besides nice widefield views.

- 6 inch Celestron Starhopper, Sonotube. Nice scope, gives those nice F/8 Newtonian views. Will end up with some friend.

- 6 inch Criterion RV-6. It's a keeper. Some people suggest these are capable of magic but it just seems that way.

- 8 inch Celestron Starhopper, Sonotube. Nice scope, gives those nice 8 inch F/6 Newtonian views. Will end up with some friend.

- 8 inch F/5 Konus. One of the older Synta models. Fitted with a Crayford and sits on a CG-5 ASGT it's a nice all around scope and quite portable.

10 inch OPT Starhunter 10. One of the older GSO DOBs, upgraded with the GSO Crayford it's been a favorite. Bought right here on Astromart with optical issues, I found the pinched secondary and it has been a good one ever since. Gives great planetary views... Did the Teflon-Ebony Star thing to the base.

12.5 inch F/4.06 Discovery/Jstar Truss. I have had this one for several years, was my largest for most of that time. Earlier in the year I was buying plastic for my 16 inch and the guy building the JStar/Anttleer Optics Dobs was in the store and one of us mentioned telescope... I love it and it fits nicely in the back seat of the car.

- 12.5inch F/6 Meade Research Grade. A big old lug at 300lbs, I consider my ultimate plantary scope. Fitted with a triple fan from Floyd, it does some wonders when the seeing is good here along the San Diego coast. It also is very nice on the DSOs, particularly the open clusters at low mags. I think of M7 as a refractor target but there is nothing quite like M/7 in a 12.5 inch F/6...

16 inch F/4.42 Meade Starfinder/Dobstuff conversion. I was alway happy with the 12.5 inch as a limit, plenty to see.. But when a Meade Starfinder showed up on Craigslist for very good price I got it. After using it several times my back finally said no more, that's it. When Dennis advertised for his conversion kits I went for it and I have been very happy with this scope. The OTA is about 55lbs and it sets up in about 10 minutes. Fits nicely in the motor home and the added aperture is especially welcome when hunting Galaxies.

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That's about it for the herd, oh, there's a few, the Jason Comet 480, the Orion Funscope and others that I don't count...

I think a good 4 inch F/6-F/7 ED or APO would about complete the collection and I would be done.

Jon


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Posted 10/20/2007 07:49PM #4
Very similar to your herd:

16" f/4.3 Starmaster w/goto for the DSOs

10" f/6 Teeter dob for lunar/planetary/everything else when I don't feel like toting the SM out

Orion 100ED for short nights/fast cooldown/easy out the door observing. I am actually thinking of replacing this one with a cheap Orion 120ST refractor, since I want really wide field low power views.

Done? I keep telling myself that I am, but having gone through more scopes than I can actually remember right now, it's not likely. I would, however, like to get back to binoviewing.

Doug
Midway, FL
Posted 10/20/2007 09:01PM #5
My approach is similar, with the addendum that I've purty much given up the ST80s. With the ED 66s going for the very reasonable prices they go for, there's no reason to glom onto an 80 anymore. Frankly, though it offers a little less aperture, I see more with the WO Patriot 66 than I do with the ST80 due to its considerably better optics.

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Posted 10/21/2007 12:06AM | Edited 10/21/2007 12:11AM #6
Hi Larry,

I keep trying to thin my herd down but it is not easy- too many great things to look at and great scopes to look with! At present the herd looks like this:

REFRACTORS:

Vixen FL80S on Super Polaris

Celestron C102F I switch out on the SP mount

175mm TMB APO on Losmandy HGM-200


NEWTONIANS:

8" Cave F/8 on original mount (GREAT scope!!)

12.5" Portaball w/Roundtable platform


BINOCULARS:

125mm Vixen 25x-75x Binoscope on yoke mount


PENDING:

Royce 10" F/20 Dall-Kirkham (could not resist joining the initial production run!)

8" F/6 UTI for travel to Baja

Cave 12.5" F/6 transportable I have to restore one day soon!


Once the Royce is here and I have a chance to really wring it out, I will probably be be thinning things down again. I would love to get this down to three scopes max- any thoughts?? (I am thinking UTI, TMB or Royce and 12.5" Portaball?



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