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Japan Shift and GPS

Started by errnum, 03/13/2011 03:15PM
Posted 03/13/2011 03:15PM | Edited 03/13/2011 03:17PM Opening Post
USGS is reporting that substantial parts of Japan have shifted 8 feet because of the earthquake and the earth's axis has tilted a few inches.

Eight feet (I believe) may be sufficient to foul up some of the more precision applications of GPS. It is within the public-available standard of error, but for instance don't surveyors use military-quality GPS along with a ground-based radio system?

It would certainly be confusing if one owned an old fence line and suddenly the fence is 8 feet into the neighbor's property.

Found some discussion here. There may be more authoritative discussion, but "GPS" and "Japan Shift" are in too many news web articles today to make it an easy search. (USGS used the word GPS in their announcement).

http://forums.groundspeak.com/GC/index.php?showtopic=270163

The axis shift of the Earth is probably less significant, but wonder about the geometry of that. A slight axis shift might dislocate GPS measurements a fair distance near the equator? The axis would shift but the GPS satellite orbits would not shift?

The article above describes that there is slow tectonic drift and natural earth wobbles which account for several feet drift per decade just about everywhere. So an old GPS map might not be extremely accurate anyway. For precision use, seems that GPS maps would need relatively constant updating?
Posted 03/13/2011 06:15PM #1
But the neighbor's fence on the opposite side would also be 8 feet on your property. Unless an 8 foot crack appeared. 8O

As far as the Earth's axis, I would believe star alignments would be a more precise measurement than a GPS locator.

James C Chandler Jr said:

USGS is reporting that substantial parts of Japan have shifted 8 feet because of the earthquake and the earth's axis has tilted a few inches.

Eight feet (I believe) may be sufficient to foul up some of the more precision applications of GPS. It is within the public-available standard of error, but for instance don't surveyors use military-quality GPS along with a ground-based radio system?

It would certainly be confusing if one owned an old fence line and suddenly the fence is 8 feet into the neighbor's property.

Found some discussion here. There may be more authoritative discussion, but "GPS" and "Japan Shift" are in too many news web articles today to make it an easy search. (USGS used the word GPS in their announcement).

http://forums.groundspeak.com/GC/index.php?showtopic=270163

The axis shift of the Earth is probably less significant, but wonder about the geometry of that. A slight axis shift might dislocate GPS measurements a fair distance near the equator? The axis would shift but the GPS satellite orbits would not shift?

The article above describes that there is slow tectonic drift and natural earth wobbles which account for several feet drift per decade just about everywhere. So an old GPS map might not be extremely accurate anyway. For precision use, seems that GPS maps would need relatively constant updating?
Posted 03/13/2011 11:27PM #2
Our club has property in Landers, California, site of a huge earthquake in 1992 where the slip was as great as 6 meters. I always wanted to know---Where is our property after the quake compared to before? Do we own where we used to own, even though the fences, roads, and perhaps house is 6 meters to the west or something? Do we just shift all the property lines six meters, do we work out compromises? What?

Not that it matters--but how do they figure these things out?

Alex