The Chosen One

It won't take long to see how well he has been dealing with it.
Still a lot of people that will take a lying Trump over an honest Warren.

Why is lying ok, Mel? The GOP doesn’t have anyone better than Trump? I’ll just say what old Donny likes to say. We’ll see what happens.

I think these guys need to restrain their fellow "conservatives".  This one would make Bill Clinton blush. These two were on top of a rooftop:
https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/22/politics/gsa-sex-drinking/index.html
Then we got the Overstock CEO resigning over ludicrous claims about the "deep state" while going at it with an accused Russian spy:
https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/22/business/overstock-ceo-patrick-byrne-resigns/index.html
Restrain your fellow CONSERVATIVES!

You lefties seem to be escalating your anti-trump rhetoric recently.....must be dawning on you that he will likely be re-elected and likely that the house will fall to the right as well.

Originally Posted by Greg Shaffer

You lefties seem to be escalating your anti-trump rhetoric recently.....must be dawning on you that he will likely be re-elected and likely that the house will fall to the right as well.

Hi Greg, Darian:

I don't know how you two can be so optimistic.  It seems to me that Trump is likely to lose.  I know that the polls were wrong in 2016, and I recall that I sure was wrong with my predictions back then.  But.... it ought to be so easy for the D's to win.  Flipping Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania would do it, and that should not be impossible.  Unless the D's nominate a socialist in name or deed, I suppose.

If the economy does falter, I would think that a Trump win would be all but impossible.

Sure, the pollsters blew it last time, in part because so many Trump voters refused to answer polls or misled the pollsters.  Perhaps more importantly, Trump must have gotten some inconsistent voters to vote in the upper Midwest, and Clinton blew the turnout in these states big time.  Both of these occurrences skewed the models the pollsters rely upon.  I would expect the legit pollsters (Gallup, Quinnipiac, NBC/WSJ etc.) to be cautious about these effects next time, and make reasonable adjustments.  The legit pollsters do have some professional pride.

Jim

Originally Posted by James Lacey

Job creation was off by 500,000 since 2018 than previously reported. The Bureau of Labor Statistics just released revised numbers. US Steel stock is at a 52 week low and dropped 50% of its value in just the last six months. US Steel is also having record layoffs. Farmers are declaring bankruptcy. Truckers say they can't make a living anymore. The deficit increases by record amounts every time the CBO looks at it. Why anyone is still supporting this pathological lying charlatan with decades of well documented fraud and failures can only be attributed to party loyalty.

Hi James:

I don't think that tactical D arguments of the economy actually being no good are going to fly.  Many, many people are experiencing the benefits of the good economy, and this overwhelms the lesser number of folks who are specifically impacted by crummy tariff policy and such.  

I really think this is an interesting comment:  "Why anyone is still supporting this pathological lying charlatan with decades of well documented fraud and failures can only be attributed to party loyalty."  My short answer is yes.  You are certainly describing me in 2016 and 2020 (if I vote for Trump.)  As a Republican, I would prefer a Republican government.  Not on 100% of the issues of course, but on more than 50% of the issues.  I definitely like conservative judges, conservative tax policy and I distrust big government "plans for that."  You probably know where I stand on almost any issue in view of a decade and a half of banter.

Character does matter to me, but it does not swamp everything else, particularly since I'm pretty jaded about the character of anyone in Washington DC.  Secretary Clinton was certainly not a model of virtue in my opinion, so the character issue washed out to become simply a choice between bad and worse.  Virtually everyone who considers character important lined up on which candidate was bad and who was worse based upon ideology alone.

So, at the end of the day, I think that your phrase, slightly modified, will accurately describe the vote of most Democrats and Republicans:

Why anyone is still supporting this (fill in a long list of personal shortcomings, vices, and felonious behavior) can only be attributed to party loyalty. 

Jim

Originally Posted by Rod Kaufman

I think these guys need to restrain their fellow "conservatives".  This one would make Bill Clinton blush. 

Hardly.  This incident was pretty tame by Lolita Express standards.

Still, this is good to know:

"An employee has a duty to not allow the use of Government property for anything other than authorized purposes," the report states. "Having sex in the central office building is not an authorized purpose for use by the public. Further, there is no law or GSA regulation that allows an employee to have sex in the building."

I'll keep that in mind if I ever find myself employed by the government!

Originally Posted by James Brown

Hi James:

I don't think that tactical D arguments of the economy actually being no good are going to fly.  Many, many people are experiencing the benefits of the good economy, and this overwhelms the lesser number of folks who are specifically impacted by crummy tariff policy and such.  

I really think this is an interesting comment:  "Why anyone is still supporting this pathological lying charlatan with decades of well documented fraud and failures can only be attributed to party loyalty."  My short answer is yes.  You are certainly describing me in 2016 and 2020 (if I vote for Trump.)  As a Republican, I would prefer a Republican government.  Not on 100% of the issues of course, but on more than 50% of the issues.  I definitely like conservative judges, conservative tax policy and I distrust big government "plans for that."  You probably know where I stand on almost any issue in view of a decade and a half of banter.

Character does matter to me, but it does not swamp everything else, particularly since I'm pretty jaded about the character of anyone in Washington DC.  Secretary Clinton was certainly not a model of virtue in my opinion, so the character issue washed out to become simply a choice between bad and worse.  Virtually everyone who considers character important lined up on which candidate was bad and who was worse based upon ideology alone.

So, at the end of the day, I think that your phrase, slightly modified, will accurately describe the vote of most Democrats and Republicans:

Why anyone is still supporting this (fill in a long list of personal shortcomings, vices, and felonious behavior) can only be attributed to party loyalty. 

Jim

All I can say Jim is if Trump does not win again I will be crying like the Dems did when Hillary lost!! I love this Country and I wonder about these people on the left!!

Originally Posted by Jim Moscheck

Why is lying ok, Mel? The GOP doesn’t have anyone better than Trump? I’ll just say what old Donny likes to say. We’ll see what happens.

Hi Jim:

Lying is not OK.  The real question is why do politicians have to lie so much?  You'll recall that in 2016 our choices were Liar A or Liar B.

I think that the GOP has some great talent in line for the next couple of elections.  I really like Nikki Haley.  Of course if she were to run in 2024, the press would assassinate her character to the point where I would probably be ashamed to admit supporting her.  I really like our senator Cory Gardner, but most unfortunately he is probably going to be clipped next November by former presidential candidate John Hickenlooper.  Colorado is just too blue overall, and Gardner is too moderate to really jazz up Richard's demographic.

Jim

Originally Posted by Mel Maki

Still a lot of people that will take a lying Trump over an honest Warren.

I sure hope it does not come to that.  But I would take a lying Trump over and honest Warren or Sanders.  

Jim