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Started by ref68, 11/19/2009 10:50AM
Posted 11/19/2009 10:50AM | Edited 11/19/2009 04:00PM Opening Post
[COLOR="Blue"]I was on the politics forum as a Muslim accidently some people start calling me a terrorist to avoid the risk getting in to Guantanamo by mistake I had to walk out of that forum.
I set up my GPS toward a religion forum ,I must have put a wrong zip code cause ,I so a big sign sais "cosmology and astrophysics"(no religion)
My GPS got frosted
On the screen display was showing this


http://scienceislam.com/bigbang.php

http://scienceislam.com/scientists_quran.php

And I tried my GPS hide so I don’t get in trouble on this (no religion) forum like I did get in trouble on politics forum. [/COLOR]
I was visiting "cosmology and astrophysics"(no religion) with this text in that forum was vary friendly respond but not many of them.
Well after my GPS got fixed I got beck here with e new subject [COLOR="Blue"]"cosmology and astrophysics"(YES religion)[/COLOR]
Please try to stay in subject and do not try look for errors of the bible or Qur’an if you have anything astronomically from the bible to share do sow please don’t look for errors to criticize others and do not get to my God better than your and true and falls and so on
We had plenty of those waists of time.
I understand religion in astronomy don’t have a physical evident but be pationt and give us a chance to share what we believe about cosmology with religion perspective or even life out on the space with religion perspective I personally I have a lot to share as long as Mark and some other out there there will not change the subject in name of trouble.
Not many of billion Muslims care about astronomy and this rely makes me angry when I see the Qur’an loaded with astronomical verses I made an article about Astronomy with Muslim perspective in Albanian language.(don't bother reading it Just check foto's)
,http://www.refet-astronomi.blogspot.com/
I cannot find any Muslim scholar to correct me of I’m wrong
It is sad when we all know how astronomy started in golden age of Muslims.

Not this time cause but next time I’m beck in this forum I’ll share some verses or hadiths that names deferent places on universe with different names and the hadith describing the deference’s on the size ,for instance first layer of heaven decorated with stars
And there is place is called Qursijj witch is bigger than 7 layers of heavens.
Then there is a space is called Arsh (throne) on this one is bigger than kursijj
It shows us that God created anything but he is not inside of his creation.
we have hadiths about begining of creation.
maybe one day science will proof it. like the qur'an says universe is expendin and the science is proofing.
like the wur'an says univers was a smoke and science is having similar answers.
To believe this subject first we need to believe that Qur’an is from God to proof this it is long talk .Just to make sure I’m not pushing any body to believe on it but just let me share my point of view according to my believes if you do have to share some from bible or Buda Hindu please do so.
In no way we can finish that talk in this forum aft course some people will resist right way
Please Look for the truth and leave the errors on the side debating is no good.
Clear skies
Refet.

Posted 11/20/2009 04:05AM | Edited 11/20/2009 04:05AM #1
refet dehari said:

Not this time cause but next time I’m beck in this forum I’ll share some verses or hadiths that names deferent places on universe with different names and the hadith describing the deference’s on the size ,for instance first layer of heaven decorated with stars
And there is place is called Qursijj witch is bigger than 7 layers of heavens.
Then there is a space is called Arsh (throne) on this one is bigger than kursijj
It shows us that God created anything but he is not inside of his creation.
we have hadiths about begining of creation.

And _I_ say there is a unicorn in my garden eating lilies. What evidence do you have for these things besides the stories in your sacred book?

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Posted 11/20/2009 06:55AM #2
If your claim is that there are scientific proofs in the Qur'an, then those claims are subject to scientific scrutiny. Astronomy started with the "Golden Age of Islam"? I think you are mistaken. It advanced, but was not born in this Golden Age. It developed with Indian and Greek influence. Here's a short history: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astronomy_in_medieval_Islam
Here's a couple of short video concerning the history of Medieval Islam and science: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tIMifWU5ucU&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcSXwPsgLhE&NR=1
You suggest "Look for the truth and leave errors on the side. Debate is not good." In other words, don't question the accuracy of the Quran or Hadiths. I have no problem examining these works as literature, or as poetic writing. But they are not science, and they're not a complete history of the region. Neither are the holy books of Judaism or Christianity.
Posted 11/20/2009 08:22PM | Edited 11/20/2009 08:32PM #3
Tom Pauly said:

Hello Refet Dehari,

Can you list some of the verses from the Qur’an regarding cosmology? Thanks!

Tom
Tom Thanks for asking for some verses, I have to make clear the Qur’an is not a book of science. Maybe the did not came at the time to remind them the astronomy. But it is interesting when they match today. God in the Qur'an promising humans that He (god) himself will save it from any changes until the judgment day. That is why some Muslims believe that science is proving the Qur'an itself. I know some people think it is coinsident but, I’m not a scientist I’m just understanding what some scientist themselves they spoke.
My self all I can do is interdusing what I know in Astronomy and what Qur’an do match with science.
I just wane clarify that there is one version of the Qur’an original Arabic lengauge.and I do not know Arabic I'm using just a translation if we have to make 100% evidence we have to go with original text. Translation can vary one from other.
sorry form making long story but I hade to make it clear before I go any farther before misunderstanding me.
I'll get beck to you tom soon with some verses.
Insha’Allah (god willing).thanks for asking.
Clear skies.
refet.